Webinar: How Barristers Are Using AI to Streamline Brief Preparation

Thanks Stephen, and thanks for everyone who's able to join the call today. Really appreciate you attending. I'm just going to spend five or so minutes providing a little bit of an update on eBrief Ready and some context for what Stephen and the team are going to take you through today, namely our new AI powered features in the platform. But just a quick update for everyone on the call. As you might know, eBrief Ready launched back in 2021 in the middle of the COVID period. Since then, it's achieved fantastic traction in the Australian market and indeed we've launched it into the UK this year where it's also doing well and hopefully soon into the US market. Australia. Since the launch, we've handled over 300,000 cases on the platform so far and a great uptake amongst our firms individual sole practitioners. The barrister market, 5,000 barristers have registered on the platform and used it since it was launched, and we also have a number of large leading Australian government agencies on the platform too.

And across that four year period, Stephen and the team have really been intent on rolling out constant improvements and changes, additions to the platform based upon user feedback. And really today is all about the latest set of features in the platform, which are supported by AI. Obviously, there's a lot of discussion in the market generally about AI both in legal tech and broadly. We're very excited to be able to talk to you today about how we're utilising AI in the platform. If you just go to the next slide. Thanks Stephen. There's really four features that we want to take you through today which are now available in eBrief Ready. You can use all of these as long as you accept the eula, which regulates the use of AI in the platform. So the four several will take you through these in more detail, but I'll just quickly say a few words about each of them.

The first one is around smart classification. So again, as documents get added to your matter, we now have a new way of doing that in a very fast and I guess intelligent way using ai. I use it constantly to build out my matters and it's one of my favourite features. It just allows very rapid uploading, renaming and allocation of documents into the folder they need to go into as the matter is built out. Second one is around bank statement analysis. That's actually been in the platform now for six months, and again, we'll automatically classify bank statements into the right folders, identify missing bank and credit card statements, and then extract certain types of data, which again, the handling of high volume statements more effective. The second two here, which are currently in beta and have been available in the platform for about three or four weeks now, we're really excited about and we hope that the bar will really best drive them and give us lots of feedback on them.

The first one is chronology, so I think obviously everyone on this call would know that building a statement of facts summaries. Chronology is a very important part of a brief presentation in court and we now have the ability to correct chronology inside the brief. I'll talk about that, Steve, I'll talk more about that and show it in the presentation. And the fourth one is around analysis of the documents in the matter itself on the platform. So again, any type of query, it can be applied to all or a subset of the documents in the matter to a comparisons or analysis or find inconsistencies or create summaries. I actually used it the other day draught to prepare a first draught of a statement of claim. It did that really well. So again, the second two are really in beta stage and we very much welcome feedback and look to make constant improvements on all this functionality and we'd also love to get feedback on what else you would like to see ready, whether it's AI or not over time.

The final slide from me before we jump over to Stephen again, I think it's important to just emphasise what we see as some of the benefits of the AI that we've included in the platform at this point in time. Again, because there's a lot of noise in the market around how AI should or should not be used by lawyers role it has providing legal advice and in practising  law. So these are just some of our thoughts on that. The first one of course is choice. So AI in our platform is optional to use, so you can just choose not to explore it at all and existing features of vbr free will always be there or you can accept the EULA and have it there available to use when you feel like using it as part of your meta preparation. The choice is obviously always very important.

Second one is around the integrity of the data that gets loaded into the matter that is used in the brief and ultimately culminates in the court bundle. We believe very strongly that the usefulness of what we're doing here is that lawyers can barristers and solicitors can use AI on precisely the document set that they choose to use it on, and the AI itself is constrained to only apply across the documents that you select. Though the AI cannot go outside and do in data from outside the matter. So in effect, hallucinations are impossible. The third one is just again, ease of use of Ai. There are many different AI applications that have sprung up in the last couple of years. So for example, if you want to do a chronology, you can't use a third party solution in conjunction with E brief Ready certainly, but that would require moving data back and forth between Brief and the third party application also require obviously paying for it.

So here the AI is completely native available in the platform through the menu which Stephen will show. So again, ease of use is really important and the way we do it reduces the chance of error. I think the last two points, auditability is also absolutely critical obviously, and so Stephen will show you that when we do technology or we do some analysis, all the AI output from that is cross-referenced in quite granular detail to the source matters to the source documents in the brief. So again, it's just another way of checking the integrity of what is a first draft. So it's very important to emphasise that all this functionality is all about increasing efficiency and preparing first drafts, not obviously to replace what a lawyer does. The final one is legal ready Ethos reason for being has always been about providing technology, all practitioners at a very affordable rate, ensuring that all lawyers have access to great technology as Stephen’s approach to legal Ready has always been to level the playing field and to put great technology in the hands of all types of practitioners.

So ai, I mean the first two, the bank statements and smart upload is already included in the existing subscription chronologies and the analysis will incur an extra charge because there's a cost to obviously running that ai, but we're intent on keeping that extremely affordable and it'll just be part of a subscription. So again, our strong belief is that AI does not need to be expensive and certainly doesn't need to be difficult to use. So with that, I'll stop and hand over to Stephen to take us through these features and some others. On top of that, we've got some other interesting integrations to show in addition to the ai.

Great, thanks Tony. To start with it, we just good to walk you through the programme as if you're using it for real and as we go through that, there's four AI features I really want to show you as part of that, but let's just go through creating a matter and I also want to point out some new additions to the product that you might not have seen. So a few tips if you like on some other things that we've added to the programme recently. Just before I do that, in order to use ai, you need to as Tony said, accept the EULA and under welcome your name, the top right hand corner, you've got your account and under that you'll have different settings and you'll see under security and privacy the tick box will need to be on except usage of AI features. Many of you have already done that.

If you have any problems around that, you can contact us, it's support@ebriefready.com au. But yeah, that needs to be turned on in order to see these features and once you turn that on, those features on, you'll be able to use these features. I'm showing these AI features today. So let's go create a new matter now, and I'm just going to call this demo matter. So one of the things that I want to talk about as we're going through this is the ability to have templates. Again, this is not an AI feature, but it's just been recently in the product and I know for bar as you work in many different matter types, so this gives you the ability to have different templates for the different matters that you work in. So by choosing, say you've got a family law matter, you can choose the family law template that you've set up.

I've got one called default, so I'm just going to that, but you get the idea that you can have different folder structures for the different and as previously in the older version, you could only have one template saved. So now you can have multiple templates. So I'm just going to take default and I'm going to create a matter called demo. And so under my setup, this is my folder structure that I've got here for this particular folder structure. Not a very complicated folder structure, but there we go. So the first AI feature I want to show you is for bank statements. So I can create a new folder called bank statements on my system here and I make one change under advanced. I say I want to let the system know that this folder is for bank statements. When I say bank statements, it also works for credit cards.

So what'll happen now is when I upload bank statements or credit cards onto the system, as long as it sees that it's a bank statement type folder, it's going to try and do some additional processing so that it puts those bank statements into the right folder, pulls out the date period and also the date name. So we'll break that folder now so we can use it. And as you know, you can move these folders up and down like that. Anyway, we're happy with our folder structure and if I wanted to create a new template now and I say look, I like that template, I like to have my bank statements set up like that. I could come over to settings and go create a matter template. I'll just call it bank template just so I remember. And now whenever I create a new matter, that's where it's got my default, I'll have a bank template there and I can come down and use that and it'll set up that folder structure that you see over here now.

So really easy to use and you can manage those templates under your account over here you can manage all the templates you've got on the system. So if you didn't like a template, you can delete it, create a new one. Okay, it's probably enough about templates. Let's go into our demo matter and now add some documents. So I'm going to actions, add documents and AI feature number one. I'm going to add some bank statements on system so you can see what that looks like. So I'm going to select some documents off my hard drive. I've got some documents under here called bank statements and I've got something called a NZ three, I've got a bomb 99 and a bomb 1 0 1. So you can probably figure out what they are by the initials of them, but nonetheless that's all the system knows at the moment, only knows that name.

So I'm going to upload those and you can see I'm putting them in the bank statements folder. And remember I said that the bank statement folder will contain bank statements as a type, which means that some extra processing will be done. So here you can see the A NZ three bomb nine nine bomb 1 0 1. What we hope to see is the system will change those names from a NZ three to different names on the system. So let's just watch and see what happens there. And you'll see there it is, you can see what happened, the names have been changed to the folders that they should go into. And there we have a NZ Business Essentials ending oh 6 9 5 is the folder it's set up and then it's put this bank statement into the correct folder and it's also pulled out the eight range. And for the Bank of Melbourne ones it's realised that statement 99 and statement 1 0 1 are there, but the statement number a hundred's missing and so it's put a red little red alert, you might like to go and collect that.

So remember this works for all the major banks and credit cards in Australia uploading on the system, but they must be individual statements you load up. You can't upload 10 bank statements in one PDF document, they must be individual statements, but providing you do that, you get this classification automatically. Next thing I want to show you is the ability to do smart classification. Tony talked about this, that one of his favourites to do. So when I go add documents, I'm going to come down here and select documents, but this time I'm going to say smart classification. Now if you don't see Smart classification, it means you haven't accepted the AI eula and so you just need to do that in order to see this functionality. And so I'm going to select documents of my hard drive and this time I'm going to select some documents just for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

So we go, I've got them here and so I'm just going to grab those documents. We can upload Word documents and Excel spreadsheets and all these different types of documents and they'll be converted to PDF automatically for me. So all the system knows now is that there's five documents you want to upload and you want to use smart classification to figure out where to put them and where to put them will be what should the document name be, what should the date be and what folder should I put these into? So we'll let that run its course at the moment you can see down the right hand side it's come back and it tells me when it's processed so you can see now it's processed all those documents. I can see the page numbers and what I hope to see in the moment in the top right hand corner is it coming back and saying I've completed smart classification, let's have a look at.

So there it is ready for review. So I'm clicking on there now and you can see what it's done. It's gone through and said well document number one I think should be evaluation report for the art collection of David Jones time and account statement. So really handy to be able to pull that information out in any of these documents you can check, just click on here on the right hand side and back will come that particular page with the document and you can just check them. That makes sense, February the first 2024 looks pretty good and you can change folders if you say, look this, I don't want that going that folder, I want it into another folder. You can change the folder here. If you didn't like the name of the document, you can just click on previously and it'll put back the original name that you had.

So remember smart classification you can use as documents come in, but there's no reason why you can't just go into a folder that you've already uploaded documents into and run Smart classification. Again, you can say here, look, I don't want you to worry about changing the name, but I want you to look at the date and folder for example. So many ways you can use this and I think it's a really handy feature for getting documents onto the system. So I've said validate now and you see what's happened, it's on through and process those documents. And now my index is getting built out. I've got exhibits now I've got bank statements, I've got submissions, expert reports and other documents. So that's two AI features I've showed you so far. I just probably want to mention something else which is kind of nice if you've just got to drag and drop a whole lot of documents from your hard drive onto here and you don't want to worry about setting up folders and everything, you can actually go in and just drag a folder or folders.

I can even contain sub folders. So I'll give you an example what that looks like. I've got a folder here on my system called property. So I'm just going to show you what I'm seeing in my explorer. So here's my folder and I'm just going to say I'm going to grab this folder and just say drag it across. And so what it'll do is it's just going to take those five documents and it's going to put it into the property folder for me automatically. And if I don't have a property folder or create that on the fly, I don't have to do it that way. I could just go back to single folder and choose where I want to put those documents. But in this case I'm just going to say I want them to go into the property folder. So you could imagine you've got a whole lot of folders and sub folders on Dropbox, OneDrive, SharePoint, somewhere you could just drag the whole lot across and that folder structure will be set up for you automatically.

So I'll just click upload on there and you'll see those documents come on. Now on the system now you'll see that I know that I've got some duplicates now. So this is another new feature that we've just added to the system where it can pick up duplicate documents that have been put on the system. So up under actions you've got the ability to identify duplicates here and so if I click on there, you see what it's doing, it's coming back and saying it's found these duplicate documents, really nice feature to have and you can then say, you know what? I made a mistake there, I shouldn't have put that one on there and I shouldn't have put that one on there. And so you can just remove the ones you don't want anymore and you can get it back to just having single documents. Now, just a little point here, if there's annotations on any of these documents, it will not let you delete it like this.

So it's going to protect any annotations and made so somebody can't accidentally go in and delete them. They can go and delete them as a normal way, but it'll come back and remind them there's annotations on the system. So anyway, I've cleaned all that up. I've got rid of all my duplicates now by doing that. Okay, I think the next thing I want to show you is some analogue and the ability to do some questions and answers if you like of the documents. Let's go and look at the last two AI features, which is the ability to do a chronology and the ability to do analyse documents. So I'm going to go into the eBrief Ready demo matter. You can do the same thing I'm doing if you've got this matter downloaded from your system. And so I'm going to go into extras and I'm going to do a chronology to start with.

So in my upload history, these are all the documents that I've got in this particular matter and I'm just ticking the top box here and I'm going the bulk actions they say go and create a chronology for me. So it's taken those 30 documents, it's going to run you extract the event from those documents. I'm going to create a chronology. Now just a little tip here, the first time you run this it will have to extract some information from the documents first. That can take a little while to do I think on this set of documents, three documents, it might take five minutes to be able to pull back the original to extract that information. Once you've extracted it the first time you can see how quick it was is less than 30 seconds. And now I've got a chronology across my system here of all the, oops, sorry about that.

I'll just do that again. I'll just extract that. And while this is happening, sometimes it's taking a long time, there's no reason why you can't open another tab up and open up brief ready in another tab. So while chronologies are happening you can just sign in again and there's all your matters and you can be continuing to work on a matter while something's happening in the background. So those chronologies which could take maybe 30 minutes if they're huge fine let it run in the background like this. And you can also just run another instance of the system and you can see down here there's my chronology and you see that it's each one of these dates on the left hand side you can see if I come over here and I can click on here, it'll tell me where it's pulled that date from the actual document.

So it's really kind of nice to be able to fact check if you like all the dates it's pulling back in these chronologies so you can be confident that what you're seeing is actually in the documents. And so you can see 17th of March two showing up here and then I can actually go to that page and open that page up and go to the actual document itself to find where that date's mentioned and you can export this to a CSV file. So I can say export to CSV file and that information in this particular chronology will go into an Excel spreadsheet. So you saw how long that took, it's a lot of dates and down there I think they've got however many, we've got a few hundred I think that you've got. So it's a really good starting point if you've got to get a sort of a sense of landscape if you like, of a particular matter to run a chronology like this and you'll be able to see all the information.

As I mentioned the first time you run it, it might take a little longer extracting information, just start up a new debrief for session like I did over here and it can continue working in another session. While this is running in the background, we don't want you to have to wait overnight for a chronology, prefer it runs for you immediately so that you've got that information. But look at that there's like nearly a thousand dates that it's pulled out for us there again, you can just in any one of these you can go and check. I think this is really important that only mentioned that this is not chat GT type technology we're using, we are leveraging an AI engine but when don't work like chat gt where if you put something in like this, it might go out to the world to pull other information in.

We stay in the context of those 30 documents that we've given it and then we just work with those 30 documents to bring back the information and make sure that every fact that we're bringing back every date we're bringing back you can check it and make sure that it's accurate. So hopefully that was useful. So true chronologies, I was working on the full upload history because that way when I do that I have all the documents that have ever been uploaded onto the system, but you can go into a particular folder and I could say, look, I just want to run a chronology just on my exhibits for example. Or maybe I just want to run a chronology on a couple of these documents or just one document. In fact, if I just want one document I can just come over here on the right hand side with these three vertical bars and just go create chronology from here if I want to do.

And that would just create a chronology for that one document so you can create it on an individual document or a set of documents in a particular folder or we can just do the entire matter by going to extras and going to that upload history and doing it across the entire history. So there's our chronologies. We hope you find that really helpful and useful. And again, we're in beta so we really love your feedback. If you ever want to give us feedback down the bottom right hand corner there's a little cat icon and you can just open that up and you can just let us know good or bad what you're finding and we're happy to help you if you ever find that it freezes and sometimes it might freeze, you can just reload the screen and do it again. Sometimes things get stuck so I often find it will freeze and to show you what that might show you, here's some other documents.

I'll just show you what it looks like when it's doing a chronology and it's got to gather the information just so you can see extracting events from these eight documents. It's going to do a chronology on those documents. If I wanted to go on with some other work, I just go to my other tab and continue working on there and then jump back again. So I'm going to let that run in the background. I'm busy and I'm going to go and show you the ability to do analyse documents and we'll just let that run in the background there and we'll come back to it later. So the next thing I want to do is to analyse and so I'm in my other tab because I'm letting the other one do its thing and I'm going to come down here and I'm going to say I want to analyse these documents.

So I'm clicking on bulk actions and I'm going to click analyse and the first thing I'm going to ask is summarise the key facts from the select the documents. So this has got some respondents and applicant's submission, so we'll click analyse there and it'll go off and pull the information out of the system and hopefully I see something happening soon. Here we go. It's analysing those five documents and we'll just see what it comes back with. Just waiting now and I'm going to jump back here while that's happening. And just also just mention another feature that we've got on the system that's new and that's the ability you're using Liquid Text. You've now got the ability to add documents to liquid text. So if I wanted these two documents to be sent across the liquid text, liquid text is an application that runs both on PCs and Max and it's a nice application if you've got to work offline and I know many of the barristers like to use it.

So you can now click send to liquid text and that will send those documents across the liquid text. And again you could select the whole folder and you can just go bulk actions send to liquid text. Okay. Alright, we got there finally again, I can see in the backend there's a big queue so I think I'm hoping that Peter's having a look at that for us. But anyway, let's have a look. We asked summarised the key facts for these selected documents and you can see it's come back and it's come back with the applicant's employment information, the dismissal process, the Sydney trains arguments, Gary Hilder's arguments, legal framework and other details. And so you can continue to do further queries on this particular document. So I could come back here and another query I could do is maybe compare these statements and list any inconsistencies. So I'll click analyse on that 10 showers while we're just waiting for things to happen, is there any questions that people want to ask at the moment?

Yeah, there are actually several good questions. There'll be a good moment to specify what do we mean by individual bank statements or to make the bank statements functionality work properly?

Yeah, so individual bank statements. So just one bank statement at a time. Each PDF document would just be one bank state. Each credit card would be one statement. It's just one statement at a time that you upload. So you can upload 10 documents, but each document needs to be just the one bank statement. Some people have uploaded a bundle, like 10 bank statements in the one PDF document. It will analyse the first one but obviously the other nine won't be included. So if you've got a bundle you need to break them open. We can't break them open at the moment so you just need to upload them individually.

We also have questions regarding how to select different documents from different folders to run the chronology. Could you showcase that Stephen please?

Yeah, so at the moment, I know it's a great question, I could do that is you would need to go to your extras and click on upload history and then just select the docs you want. We are in beta, it is on our roadmap to be able to do that type of query where you'd basically be able to say, look, I want to go into this folder, I want to choose those two documents here, put them into a shopping cart or something like that. I want to go in here, I want to choose those two documents. I want to go down here and I want to choose these two documents. And then by combining those six documents together, be able to then run a chronology or run a question on just those documents. We are not there yet. We are building it out. We understand that that's a real requirement to be able to choose different documents from different folders.

I guess you could if you wanted to, you could create a temporary matter if you like and just copy the documents that you want into that temporary matter into a folder and you could do your query in that temporary matter. Not ideal. I think we'd rather just solve this problem for you going forward. The idea is at the moment some sort of shopping cart, it won't be obviously called that, but it will have the ability to choose documents from different folders and having speaking about that, we have a AI group that we've formed to advise us of what you'd like going forward. So if you feel interested in this type of future, the roadmap if you like for AI and you see what we're doing and you want to be part of that, CIA will put into the chat a little link that you're welcome to click on and we'd be happy to have you involved. I think CIA from memory, our first meeting's going to be what date is it the 30th? Is it of the month?

That is correct. That will be next week some time,

Yeah. Alright, I'm afraid I'm having a little difficulty with the backlog of work. There's something strange having very rarely happens, but I'm just saying we've got a lot of documents queued, which is why I'm not able to show you a couple of the other things I want. I was just going to do a couple more questions for you really. One was a question around the inconsistencies and another one I think that barristers would like is there's just these five documents that we've got here. I was going to also ask the question of cross-examination, what would you recommend as a cross-examination? I'm acting for the applicant, what would be some good cross-examination questions to ask? But unfortunately I think I can't show you this right at the moment because of the background log that's going on. So I know somebody's working on that right now. Alright, anything

Yes is there was a question in there from around could we show the chronologies demo once more? Yeah,

Sure.

So I'll go upload history and go up bulk actions and I'm just clicking on correct chronology. There you go, we're back in business ladies and gentlemen. So there you go. There's our chronology again and I think I'm going to be able to run those q and As and so barristers will be able to have a look at what the cross-examination questions will be. So there's our chronology. Is there anything in particular anybody wanted to know about that? Just put something into the q and a there if you wanted me to specifically look at something there. Let's go back into that question now that we wanted to do on our submissions. So I'm going to go back into bulk actions. I'm going to go analyse and I'm going to ask the second question. We sort of summarise the key facts. So we did that one a moment ago.

So compare these statements and list any inconsistencies. So I'm going to click analyse on there. Let's see. So you can see extracting information from the five documents. That makes me much happier when I see that green bar coming across the bottom there. And that is the first, when it first has to do that, that's what it's going to need to do. It's need to extract the information the first time and then once it's extracted the information from the documents, you'll be able to run query after query. So that's what you'd expect to see when it hasn't seen these documents before and it needs to just extract it. So again, what I recommend you do is rather than just wait for that to happen, jump off to another instance and start to do other work while you're waiting for that to come back on the system. Then once it's extracted the information, we'll be able to do our further queries on the documents and it won't take this long. So just watching my background processing here and just waiting, waiting, waiting.

Just while we're waiting, Stephen, there was another good question just in case people haven't read it in the chat around. If you're a barrister and you have a full version of Abri and a solicitor sends you a brief, are you able to run a chronology on the material that is loaded into the ere

You are? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's absolutely available for you to do that. Yeah, and again, you can select the documents you want. I think from our looking at the use cases of this, I think chronologies have been, people are really excited by being able to correct chronologies on the system. So yeah, hopefully you get a lot out of it by being able to do that. Tony, that's your experience too, I think when you've been showing this overseas, isn't it

Overseas? Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, totally. We've got one comment from Duncan in the chat saying that he's now being able to run chronologies on his matter as we speak. Great, yeah,

Great. Maybe we're tying up resources. Anyway, my question finally got there, so I think it's really good just to see these types of answers. Here are the inconsistency and contradictions found in these statements. Remember I gave it five statements and it's gone through and it's listed out the zero tolerance policy and Sydney Trains has this approach, however applicant argues on this against it. So while you might know a lot of this already, I sometimes think it just could come back with one or two points that you go, oh, I hadn't thought of that. And again, you can fact check all this by clicking on here. You can click on go to that particular page and on the page there you can highlight it if you wanted that what's important for you. And remember, you can still use the annotation function and you can start to build your case out by with the AI helping you to find the documents that are important to you.

So yeah, this ability to use AI and human, I think that's where we're in an evolution. I think a couple of years ago, some of you might've come to John Swenson and Mike talk, I think we did one up in Queensland and one in Melbourne in Victoria about AI with the whole thing a couple of years ago was just start touching the keys. I think we're past that point now of touching the keys to actually starting to utilise this technology for real. I think it really does give you an insight into some of the major issues. And just for fun, I did this other question today, what would be the cross-examination questions and I'm acting as the applicant. What are some good cross-examination questions to ask based on these documents? So again, it's working, it's back up and running. I think working now it's preparing the response.

It's not having to bring those documents in. The documents are loaded, so I expect within phase 30 seconds we'll get a response to that. Preparing it now there it goes. So it's generating response. So the question is, out of these five I'm asking for the applicant, tell me some good cross-examination questions. Now again, you probably know most of these, but even if it gave you one or two questions that go, oh goodness, I hadn't thought of that. This AI stuff's really good at cross-referencing information. So picks up patterns and is able to bring back things that maybe the human eye misses. And so it is a really helpful, I think just to see what you can do, I'm just leave that on the screen so you can have a bit of a read of gap of that and you can see that any of these ones, I can click on the reference and it'll take me to the reference where it's pulled that information out from the document so I could go back into the document, I could highlight it, I could annotate it so that I can start to prepare what I think is important information.

Good. Any other questions or anything that I've missed that possibly should have picked up today?

I think it would be good to showcase again how to accept the AI eola on your account

So

They can start testing the new AI features now.

So if you go to welcome, it's welcome Stephen and go to your account and if you go down to your security and privacy, you'll see that there's the ability here to accept the eula. Sometimes it'll bell up here at the top, it might have it and you can click on there and accept it. If for whatever reason you're not able to accept it, then let us know. I think we've got in the support email address or give us a call and we'll help you to do that. But that needs to be ticked on in order for you to be able to utilise this technology.

Thank you. Stephen, I think we could read out this question as well. Can the chronology function pull dates and events from affidavits or only individual documents?

I don't see any reason why it wouldn't pull it from affidavits. It's just looking at dates and times within the document and it's providing, there's dates and times in that document. It's going to pull it back for you and give you a chronology. But let us know, try it out. Try it out in some of your affidavits, again, really easy to do. I imagine you've got a folder called affidavits somewhere on your system. I've got something called Expert Reports. And so it's just a matter of ticking the boxes and then you would go bulk actions and you'd say create a chronology for me and away it'll go. And there you go, it's that quick. Now these documents are loaded and now that I don't have 20,000 somethings in the background processing, everything's very smooth and fast now. So you can see what happened there. Look, that's not a bad chronology. 65 facts came back in about three seconds. So we've gone into book. So if any of you are on your computers now, you could be playing with this right now. As one person was already creating chronologies using analyse function. Yeah,

David just confirmed that he created a chronology from affidavits.

Great, there you go. We're teaching each other as we're going. It's great. I mean I'm pretty excited about this technology. I'm also a little concerned about we're going very fast and so I dunno what the future holds, but right at this moment in time, it's a pretty interesting place to be where we can actually use AI and lawyer together. And that is the perfect combination at the moment. It's not AI replacing lawyer, it's actually you do need the lawyer to be able to figure out what makes sense and what doesn't make sense. But by goodness it's like having a personal assistant just drilling in and bringing out stuff so that you can then have a look at it and see if it makes sense for you. So my sense is that we really, as lawyers, as barristers, we need to be really adopting this technology now.

I can't see how without, I think if you're not using this type of technology, you are at a disadvantage because it's actually helping you to drill down on information and saving a lot of time. So we're here to support you. We're obviously building this out. We do have some bugs from time to time. We've got to sort out, hopefully you just saw in real time that we were able to sort something out, which was great and we really want to build this out, this platform out with you to make it work exactly the way you want to. So again, if you want to join our AI advisory group, love to have you involved and build out something that's I think pretty terrific for Australia. And what I like is that barristers often don't have very much support around them. You running often, you have to run your own race here. So we really want to support you in being able to take technology and not cost you a fortune and also be able to support you. Many, you'll know that my background is from my father and grandfather. Were Barrister Clarks in Melbourne, so I guess I was brought up on barristers. And then we are really here to support you in the process of this evolution.

Well the questions in here Stephen, just before there's another three questions that have come through. Oh,

Okay, great. Alright,

Good. Do you want to take them change out? Yes.

One of them is how we save the analysis responses.

Not yet, but we're working on it. We can save the chronology you saw when I did my chronology before. I can save that. We're working on saving the analyse function. It's not far away. I think it'll be available probably in the next two or three weeks. It'll be a word format. The document will be a word format that we'll be providing to you. So you'll be able to have the references also as part of that.

And Stephen, we will, I think we've talked about this before, but we'll also eventually have a history of searches that can be accessed.

Yeah,

History. That's right. Of history. Yeah. We'll keep building it out. And I think that's why we want you to be part of that process because we want to keep building out what you want, what you need, what's good for you. I think before when I was showing you over here, the different queries that we can do on the system, we want to set up prompts automatically for you so that you don't have to think about them yourself necessarily. I mean you can always create your own prompt, but we'd like to give you a whole lot of prompts. And so the best way we can create those prompts is from getting feedback from you about what prompts would make sense for barristers, what prompts would make sense for solicitors, et cetera.

And last question, what is the additional cost for the AI component?

I'm going to hand that back to Tony, our CEO.

Yeah, it's a great question and it's something we're analysing right now. Essentially chronologies and analyse in any other new features that come along in beta and free to use as much as you like over the next couple of months at least. And that'll allow us to get feedback from all our users on efficacy changes, but also allow us to get a sense for the volume of usage across the entire market. And also we're working very closely with our AI partner to get a handle on what the cost of AI processing is going to be. We don't think it's going to be a too expensive, hopefully, fingers crossed. And so we feel confident that the pricing for those extra features will be equally as cost effective as the current pricing for EBR ready. So it's not a specific answer. We'll have that answer in coming months, but I can assure you that it will be extremely cost effective compared to some of the third party solutions that are out there. There's a bunch of new technology companies that are built upon just providing ai. All of them have human names, things like Harvey and Vincent and whatnot. They're very expensive. As will not be anywhere near that. It'll just be part of your subscription essentially. Hopefully that's helpful, but we'll have more on that soon.

And for the next couple of months, there's no cost at all. This is just free for you to use and to try out. All we ask is give us some feedback and let us know how you're finding it. Let us know the good news and the bad news. And again, if you want to be part of our group to take it forward, we welcome you to be part of that. Any other questions at all?

No, that will be everything. Thank you so much.

Great. Alright, so I'll stop my sharing here. And yeah, thanks everybody for owning us today and working through the glitches we had in our beta version. And thanks Peter. I know we didn't say anything, but I know you were working very hard in the background, sorting that out. So thank you for figuring that out. Thanks everybody, and I look forward to your feedback.

Absolutely. Yeah, thanks Steve, and well done to get through those glitches. That was great.